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I've never seen anything like that before.

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Oh my goodness, is it not amazing?

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Is there anybody here with me?

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Whoa, oh my gosh.

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Whoa, did you see that?

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There it is, it is moving.

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What I have for you is the real battle of LA.

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Stand by.

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Whoa!

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Oh my goodness.

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There's a flying saucer.

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Getting a series of lights right there.

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Do you see what I am seeing?

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What the heck is happening?

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Hey guys.

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Hello.

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You guys all remember Devon?

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Hi Devon.

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Our new team member and tech expert.

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How's it going?

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Well why don't we start off?

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Austin, you want to kick us off?

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Alright.

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Who's ready for a little bit of poltergeist in their life?

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Oh those are awesome.

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I'm coming from the land down under,

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Annadale, Australia.

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Glenn Smith, October 17, 2010.

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Captures this poltergeist activity

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actually on his girlfriend's cell phone.

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Whoa, oh my gosh.

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Watch the bookshelf, okay?

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Wow.

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The first thing I noticed about this is that

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they sound genuinely freaked out.

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They're so scared.

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I just felt like that was a pretty natural reaction.

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Oh my gosh.

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Really quick, let me just point out something.

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To this side of the refrigerator.

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Because it's like these cabinets keep going.

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So somebody could actually be there

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maybe even with a fishing line.

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Oh my gosh.

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It definitely meets our criteria.

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We do have the witnesses, great footage,

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and it's definitely testable.

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I do like the video, the witnesses.

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I'm not quite so sold as some of you

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to the reactions of the people,

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but why don't we see what else we have

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and maybe come back to it.

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Uh, Chulon, what do you have for us?

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I have a really great video, guys,

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and it is the most phenomenal video

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I've seen in a long time.

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I can see a hole now.

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My family was vacationing in Napa Valley

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outside of Lake Berry, Essay,

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and they come upon this amazing vortex.

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Oh my gosh.

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Isn't that amazing?

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Doesn't that look like it has to be from a movie?

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I've never seen anything like that before.

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Right!

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Now there are a lot.

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And I've been to Lake Berry, Essay,

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and I've never seen this.

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Imagine taking a boat on water when this is happening.

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To me, it almost looks like there's a structure,

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you know, underneath the water.

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You guys, I've actually seen this video before,

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and there is a natural explanation.

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This Lake Berry, Essay has one of the largest spillways

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It's actually a giant cement drain

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that prevents flooding.

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the spillway opens up, the water goes down,

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and that prevents flooding.

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Well, I liked it though.

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It was an awesome video.

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Now guys, what I have for you is one of the most

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historic UFO cases there ever was.

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This is the real battle of LA.

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So picture this.

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February 25th, 1942.

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This was just a little over two months

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since the attack on Pearl Harbor,

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and five full years before Roswell in 47.

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In the middle of the night in Los Angeles,

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all of a sudden, the military gets a radar return

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on an inbound aircraft like 120 miles offshore.

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witnesses start hearing anti-aircraft shelling.

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This is the photo that was taken by the LA Times

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that appeared on February 26th.

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Where the spotlights are converging,

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it looks like a saucer-shaped craft.

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that that's just an optical illusion

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from all of the convergence of the spotlights

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a movie that just came out?

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This movie was inspired by this event,

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and it's about an alien invasion.

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These little lights here,

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anti-aircraft fire.

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Over 1,440 rounds were fired at something in the sky.

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What was it?

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like years later in the 80s.

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I mean, that sounds like Roswell all the time.

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What were they trying to hide?

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That's the question.

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Think about all the ways we can test this.

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I mean, you've got artillery fire, search lights,

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machine guns, machine guns.

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Well, guys, it sounds like we're all really excited

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about this case, so why don't we see what else

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because I think it's way up there.

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I have a rare piece of evidence.

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An apparition recorded in 2008

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aboard the Queen Mary,

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which is docked in Long Beach, California.

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The videographer recorded this by accident.

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His name is Ryan Cardill.

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This is a camera that was just set down

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and he didn't know it was recording,

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and it's pointed down a hallway on the Promenadeck.

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That's like a shadow figure,

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but instead of it just being shadows, it's actually white.

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and this is still the best piece of evidence

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that I've ever seen.

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I really like this case.

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It does have a lot of things we could test.

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Today we've looked at a lot of cases, so what do you say?

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I think the evidence we have for the Queen Mary case

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is very strong and we have an available witness.

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It meets our criteria.

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It's definitely testable.

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If you go to Queen Mary, I'm with you.

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If we're going off popularity,

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Battle of Los Angeles is huge.

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I'll try my video for some guns.

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You want in on this machine gun?

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I want in on the battle of LA.

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Action with me.

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Okay, Devon.

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Let's definitely lock in Battle of LA then.

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And Jio, you want to come?

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All right, and you guys...

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We're locking in Queen Mary right here.

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Queen Mary.

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And the room is divided.

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Queen Mary it is.

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Guys, this is awesome.

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We've got two cases both in Southern California.

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That's a first.

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It is a first.

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Well, let's get packing.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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So, guys, here we are in Los Angeles, a city of angels.

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The entertainment capital of the world,

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the site of our next investigation.

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Now, this case has inspired articles, books, even movies,

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and is still a mystery after 70 years.

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If you guys look at the photo that was taken,

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you've got eight searchlights trained on one mysterious object in the sky.

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It makes you wonder if this really was a UFO

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or if the government was trying to cover something up.

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Well, for a lot of UFO researchers,

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this case represents the ground zero of modern UFO research.

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And it happened five years before Roswell.

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First, we need to check out the site where one of the original gun batteries

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So, here we are at Fort MacArthur.

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Guys, check out all this cool artillery.

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Look at the size of that cannon.

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Hey, are you Steve?

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I'm Steve.

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Ben.

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Nice to meet you, man.

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Nice to meet you.

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This is Devon and Jiel.

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Hi.

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Hi, I'm Steve.

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This is Marty Morgan, our World War II expert.

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Pleased to meet you.

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Thank you so much for having us here today.

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So, we're talking about February 25, 1942.

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We have 1,400 rounds of artillery shooting over a major populated city.

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What's going on?

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This was a group of soldiers on the ground

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that were looking at a sky that had been told

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the enemy will be in your airspace two night.

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At 2.43 a.m., they have radar contact with unidentified aircraft.

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At 3.06 a.m., the guns open fire.

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The next thing you know, over 1,000 rounds get put in the sky over L.A.

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In fact, let me show you the projectiles.

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I'm talking this size shell right here.

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Yeah, feel that.

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You got 28 pounds of 3-inch shell right there.

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90% of the rounds that were put in the sky that night

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were 50-caliber machine gun cartridges.

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So, what do you guys think was in the sky the night of the Battle of L.A.?

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There isn't one story for the evening.

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We know for sure that a meteorological balloon was launched.

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Well, what boggles me is that they have all these searchlights

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on this so-called object, and nobody can tell you what it was.

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This is the same type of light that would have been used that night.

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So, if it was a balloon in the sky, what approximately do you think the altitude was of this object?

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the object looks like it's about 2,000 feet in the air.

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Okay, so we have an object, maybe a balloon at 2,000 feet in the air.

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And you have a 50-caliber bullet that's firing at it.

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Why didn't they hit it?

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It's just a balloon, right?

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I don't know that I have an answer for you.

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So, now that we've seen one of the actual gun batteries,

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it's time to start running some tests to see if we can replicate the photo.

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I think in the desert, we have plenty of room to do our tests.

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So, our first test is the artifact test.

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An artifact is actually an optical illusion.

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Some people theorize that in this particular photo,

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what was happening is these searchlights are combining

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to create what looks like a solid object in the sky when there really wasn't one.

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It would be really cool once we get our lights up

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to see if we can create that same-looking solid object

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when there's really no object at all.

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And we want to do 2,000 feet in altitude.

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We can set up our lights in a half-circle, 2,000 feet out.

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When we angle our beams properly,

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I think we're going to be able to converge right above this point.

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We need to get the lights out and set before we get started.

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Let's go.

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Now guys, these babies are the latest in portable searchlight technology.

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They have the same color temperature and luminosity as our World War II carbon arcs,

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except for obviously they're a lot smaller.

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Compact.

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Exactly.

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This is so much better because at least the two of you can handle that.

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Alright guys, got that one in place. Let's move on to the next one.

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So for this test, we set up eight searchlights,

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which are the same color and luminosity as what was used in 1942.

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We're going to see if we can actually create an artifact of a solid object

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which could explain what was seen in the photo.

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The original camera used for the photograph in the Battle of LA

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was a graph-like speed graphic.

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This is the modern-day equivalent.

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What we've done is attached a self-developing film pack to the back of it,

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which can develop a 4x5 print within 60 seconds.

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Alright J.R., I'm in position.

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Okay, we're set when you are.

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And three, two, one.

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Illuminate artifact.

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So our first test is the artifact test.

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We're in the middle of the desert.

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We've set up eight searchlights.

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We're going to see if we can actually create an artifact of a solid object

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which could explain what was seen in the 1942 photo.

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And three, two, one.

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Illuminate artifact.

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Oh wow!

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Okay, hey guys.

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Hey guys.

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Look at that.

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Yeah, it looks pretty cool, huh?

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It looks like a giant bouquet of lightsabers.

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Pretty good.

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Tell me you got a really good shot at this.

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Yes.

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Get an artifact.

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Wow!

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That is definitely brighter in the center.

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However, it's really nothing quite like that almost disc-like shape

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we're seeing in the 42 photograph.

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And an obvious thing is the beams are going right through our artifact

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and continuing on.

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Maybe it's because of the flak.

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Yeah, there's all kinds of flak in the sky and our aircraft shells

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detonating around the convergence point.

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That's why the beams in the original photo are stopping.

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I would love to shoot some anti-aircraft artillery

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but of course FAA won't allow that.

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So let's reduce the scale

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which means to keep the same angles

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we're going to have to move the lights all in as well.

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So we bring everything in closer, bring our artifact lower

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and then we shoot it.

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And then we have a war from 1942.

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You guys ready?

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Let's go!

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If we're going to match the original photograph

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we need to add smoke in the sky

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to simulate the anti-aircraft shells

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detonating around the convergence point.

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We're moving all the searchlights in a little bit closer

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we're bringing our convergence point down

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so that way we can meet FAA restrictions

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and actually fire our own flak into the sky

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and create a wall of smoke.

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Alright, you have all the lights are in place.

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Yes, I see that and you guys are ready to go with your big guns.

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We've got this grenade launcher

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and we have the shotgun was shooting bird bombs.

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So this is going to put that smoke up in the sky

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and it will give us some more defined artifact in the middle.

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Alright, good luck guys.

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Standing by!

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And three!

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Two!

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One!

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Open fire!

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Fireing!

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Two is fire!

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Two is fire!

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Woo!

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Let's see.

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It casts in every single one of those explosions.

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But we do still have that problem

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where the beams of light are passing through the point.

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You're right, the light's passed right through.

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Guys, as you know in 1983

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the Air Force's explanation was that this was a weather balloon.

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We need to put this to the test to see if it's even possible

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such an object would make an artifact like we're seeing here.

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A weather balloon could potentially stop those beams

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right at the convergence point rather than having them push through.

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That on top of some smoke in the sky?

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We need more war.

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Yes, next test.

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So we have a latex rubber balloon which is made of the same materials

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and the same type of weather balloon that they would have had in 1942.

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We have a spindle of 200 feet of parachute wire.

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We attach the weather balloon.

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We slowly let it out.

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Then we shoot around the balloon.

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And we're going to see what it looks like.

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Alright, Jal, we are loaded and we are ready.

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Copy that. I'm going to count you down.

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And three, two, one, fire!

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So we have a latex rubber balloon which is made of the same materials

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that they would have had in 1942.

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We slowly let it out.

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And then we shoot around the balloon.

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And we're going to see what it looks like.

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And three, two, one, fire!

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Woohoo!

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That was great!

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The weather balloon is just completely glowing.

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Yeah, and you know what else I love about this guy?

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The smoke and the balloon, it seems to actually have stopped

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some of those beams from going through.

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There are a faint couple that are still pushing through there,

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but it's better.

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The question is, how did these guys not get this thing down

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after 1,440 rounds of fire?

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Let's say they hit it with at least one bullet.

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How long did it take for it to come down?

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I think that we should just shoot this thing and see what happens.

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You want to see my true marksmanship?

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That's what you're saying. You want to see what I can do?

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Yes.

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So our weather balloon test confirms that the combination of search lights,

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smoke, and an 8-foot weather balloon

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come a lot closer to matching the original photograph.

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However, those lights that were not blocked by that balloon

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continued right on through the convergence point.

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Therefore, it wasn't an exact match.

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Our World War II expert said that of the 1,440 rounds that were shot that night,

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the majority were 50 caliber.

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I'm going to take a 50 caliber machine gun,

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and I'm going to shoot at this weather balloon to see what happens

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and how fast it will come down.

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Oh my God!

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What did you say?

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This is an actual 50 caliber machine gun.

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The same type that was used in 1942.

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Now we know a 50 caliber round is eventually going to bring a balloon down.

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What we want to know is how.

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This is Howard. He's our weapons specialist.

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And what we've done is mounted this on this lift.

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And I'll be taking this up 50 feet in the air, shooting from about 600 feet away.

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And we'll see what happens.

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The really big thing about this test, you guys, is that

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whether or not this balloon is going to pop or not, or if it's going to deflate.

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So I've got a stopwatch here. We'll be able to time how long it takes for the balloon to drop from 40 feet

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down to the ground. We'll be able to calculate using those numbers

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how long it would have taken in the original photograph for the balloon to drop.

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Ben, this is your badass moment. Do it!

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Three, two, one.

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What?

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Coming up on Fact or Faked Paranormal Files.

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Maybe this was a UFO.

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Yes.

429
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The Queen Mary is considered one of the most haunted locations in the world.

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Phantom.

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Here it is. It is moving.

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It looks like two eyes.

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Is anybody here with me?

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This is an actual 50 caliber machine gun, the same type that was used in 1942.

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Three, two, one.

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Whoa!

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Ben, I still have an adrenaline rush.

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So much fun.

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So you remember the Battle of LA.

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Now the only known photograph of the event depicts some type of object.

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Looks like a saucer shape that's sitting in the convergence of eight spotlights.

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Now one of the theories is that the object in the sky is a little bit more than a little bit more than a little bit more.

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The object in the sky is an optical illusion of what they're calling an artifact.

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We took eight high powered spotlights and they converged at about 2,000 feet in the sky.

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And this is what that looks like.

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Oh wow. There you go.

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It did create somewhat of a slight artifact but the beams passed straight on through the convergence point.

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After our first test we realized the searchlights in the original photo are illuminating the smoke from the explosions.

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So this is the Battle of LA, right? We decided to create our own battle.

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We brought in 12 gauge shotguns and 40 millimeter grenade launcher shooting pyrotechnic shells.

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Oh yes!

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As you can see, Ben and Devon definitely had quite a war.

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So seeing that with this test we still had the problem with the beams going past the convergence point.

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We decided to test that this was just a weather balloon.

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We floated an 8 foot weather balloon into the sky, fired at it and we took another photo to see what it looked like.

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Yeah you did. Let's see it.

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Now just the very fact that we're aiming these spotlights at the balloon made it very reflective.

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The smoke did a pretty good job of blocking off a lot more of those lights from passing through.

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So we decided, well what if this was a weather balloon?

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How could a weather balloon stay in the sky after 1440 rounds were shot at it?

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So the only way to get an answer was to test it for ourselves.

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Oh!

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Rain? Wow.

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Alright so you guys, I timed how long it would take for the balloon to hit the ground once it was shot and it took 3.7 seconds.

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Which means that even if it's a balloon, it was all the way up at 8,000 feet and it was hit, it would have taken a matter of minutes for it to come to the ground.

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It wouldn't have been a balloon with a hole in it slowly deflating all the way down the coast.

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If a weather balloon is that easy to shoot down, it calls into question the official Air Force report.

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You have all these highly trained soldiers and they shoot off over 1400 rounds and there's no reports of debris.

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Maybe this was a UFO.

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Which would be more than enough reason to cover the whole thing up.

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But there's another possibility.

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One of the other theories was that there was a barrage balloon.

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Now these were big kind of blimp balloons 100 feet sometimes in length that was put over factories.

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So that if enemy aircraft came in they'd get all tangled up in the balloon, it'd make it difficult for them to bomb.

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Now there is some information that possibly one of these balloons got loose.

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This is what it looks like.

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There's your big silver object right there.

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That does make sense.

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So Pearl Harbor just happened.

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The military is on high alert and somebody mistakes a barrage balloon for an enemy aircraft.

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The problem is you guys is that it's still just a big balloon. They should have been able to bring it down.

482
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That's a good point.

483
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Well I think you guys did an amazing job at showing what this photo was not.

484
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It was not an artifact and it was not a weather balloon.

485
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Right. I believe there was an object in the sky. Now we ruled a lot of things out.

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But for all intents and purposes it's still a mystery.

487
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So let's hear what happened with you guys.

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Well as you recall we went down the Long Beach to investigate the possible hauntings on the Queen Mary.

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We ran a series of tests and we got some interesting results.

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With a long history of ghostly legends the Queen Mary is considered one of the most haunted locations in the world.

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You know how it was originally used as a cruise ship for the world's rich and famous to travel along the Atlantic?

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As right in 1939 when World War II broke out she was actually put into active duty and transported over 800,000 troops.

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As a matter of fact during World War II the Queen Mary was painted gray and became known as the gray ghost.

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Because Hitler's U-boats had a bounty to sink the ship obviously without success.

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Within the last 60 years 49 people have died on the Queen Mary.

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And in 2008 actually one of the visitors Ryan Caudel caught what he believes is a ghostly manifestation on the Queen Mary.

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We're going to start off by getting a tour with resident Queen Mary paranormal expert Pat Wheelock.

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I've heard some pretty creepy things happen when the sun goes down.

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Anchors away everybody.

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Is she lying?

501
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Plastic?

502
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Hi, how are you?

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It's Pat Wheelock.

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Welcome aboard.

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Good to be here.

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Y'all ready to go on a tour?

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We are.

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Let's hit on.

509
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Let's do it.

510
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Okay.

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So this is the pool.

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This is the first and third glass pool.

513
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And this place looks really really creepy I have to tell you.

514
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And you said this is one of the hottest spots in the ship for reoccurring phenolombs.

515
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Oh we get it almost daily.

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People reporting hearing a child giggle or shadows of people walking around.

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Let's head on back to the changing room area.

518
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Okay.

519
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,000
And that's down this hall right?

520
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Uh huh.

521
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:43,000
The claim is that actually where you all are standing you're in the middle of a vortex.

522
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Why is this the vortex?

523
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:53,000
People get dizzy they feel that it's a passageway through to another realm or another world.

524
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Got it.

525
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000
Okay so it can be disorienting.

526
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Exactly.

527
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Back this way.

528
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Okay we have a work cut out for us.

529
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Now that we know more about the Queen Mary's history we're headed to talk to Ryan the videographer.

530
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Hey you must be Ryan.

531
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000
I am.

532
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000
How you doing?

533
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
So what happened that night?

534
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Well I was down here with a couple friends and we were up here at the bar just playing around with the camera.

535
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,000
And we stepped out for a moment and we left the camera on the windowsill.

536
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:41,000
So you can say with 100% certainty that you don't believe either you were hoaxed or have been part of a hoax?

537
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000
It was not a hoax.

538
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Would you mind retracing the exact steps that you went through that night so we can kind of see exactly what happened?

539
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Absolutely.

540
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Great.

541
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Lead the way?

542
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Sure.

543
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,000
So this is the hallway that you were able to capture the ghostly apparition?

544
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000
This is it.

545
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Wow.

546
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000
And this is where I set the camera down.

547
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
Now Ryan there's these glass cabinets here.

548
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Is it possible that you set it behind one of the glass cabinets and you were shooting through it?

549
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,000
You know what?

550
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
I don't remember these cabinets even being here.

551
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Well like right now both these two outside doors are open allowing the outside air to come in.

552
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Do you remember if they were open that night?

553
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Yes, they were.

554
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,000
That door was open.

555
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Now did you actually bring the original camera?

556
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000
We always like to do some experiments and hopefully use the same equipment.

557
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
I absolutely did, Pierre.

558
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Well thank you so much for taking the time to meet with us and we'll let you know if you find anything.

559
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000
And thanks for the camera.

560
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Absolutely.

561
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000
One of those popular theories what Ryan captured on video is that it's shadows.

562
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,000
But it doesn't actually account for what we're seeing in the beginning of the video.

563
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Which is a very clear cut white apparition in the center of the hallway.

564
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Shadows don't exist like that.

565
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:21,000
So what we're going to do now is we're going to perform an experiment that incorporates the environmental element such as the fog that you see outside.

566
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,000
You can actually project things onto that fog and hopefully create the white apparition that we're seeing in Ryan's video.

567
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,000
We basically need to make a mini movie so we have something to project.

568
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,000
Toulon's going to film me against a black backdrop and I'll walk the same pattern as the ghostly apparition in the video.

569
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Good job ghost.

570
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,000
I can roll with that walk.

571
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Once we get the footage we need we're just going to load it into the projector and project it down the hallway on the haze.

572
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Hopefully this will replicate the original footage.

573
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,000
What we're going to do now is use a haze machine to add to the humidity in the hallway.

574
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Hey guys you can see the haze in the hall.

575
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000
You guys ready to start this experiment?

576
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:34,000
On three, two, one, phantom.

577
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:51,000
So what we're going to do now is we're going to perform an experiment that incorporates the environmental element such as the fog that you see outside.

578
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,000
You can actually project things onto that fog and hopefully create the white apparition that we're seeing in Ryan's video.

579
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,000
On three, two, one, phantom.

580
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Wow.

581
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Oh look at that.

582
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
That looks creepy.

583
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
It actually does work well.

584
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
It actually looks really similar.

585
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
We're seeing the light actually shoot from the projector.

586
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000
That is the problem.

587
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
You can see the beam of the projector.

588
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:48,000
We weren't able to create a similar moving image but once the haze filled up the hallway you can clearly see that it was simply a projection.

589
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:58,000
The fact that those glass cases were in the hallway gave us an idea that Ryan's video was simply an optical illusion.

590
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:15,000
In our next experiment we're going to attempt to manipulate perception and the way that we're going to do that is actually just use this presidential style teleprompter and put the camera about a foot away from it.

591
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:23,000
We're going to project Austin's image of a recorded the earlier, superimposing him on top of the hallway.

592
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
It should match pretty close to what we're seeing in Ryan's video.

593
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:37,000
Okay on three, two, one, play video.

594
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
There you are.

595
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Oh wow.

596
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,000
How's it working?

597
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
This looks awesome.

598
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
It looks pretty close.

599
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
It really looks ghostly.

600
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,000
You have a transparency and you're walking like the guy in the video.

601
00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:06,000
So this is almost like proof of concept that by using reflective surfaces it is possible that maybe this is how Ryan's video was created.

602
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Yeah I think that we found a great way to hoax this video guys.

603
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Now that we've done the force perspective test and we can see that the video can be hoaxed we still have to consider the long history of the premarital.

604
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:26,000
There have been so many eye witness accounts of paranormal activity so we're going to go ahead and do an eye investigation.

605
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
All the cameras are set up.

606
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Yeah we're ready to go.

607
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Changing room, ballroom, boiler room, deck and of course Ryan cut all shot us footage.

608
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Alright guys I'm going to bring my DSLR for stills.

609
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,000
I'm also going to check the thermal cams, see if there are any unusual heat signatures from this ship.

610
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000
Sounds good.

611
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Flashlight, very handy.

612
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
You guys ready to go green?

613
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Let's do this.

614
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
Alright.

615
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Right now I am on top of the bridge that is over the boiler room and I am scanning the room for any unusual heat signatures.

616
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000
Yes.

617
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Bill for Austin.

618
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Austin for Bill.

619
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:50,000
I'm going to have an EVP session in the changing room where the vortex has been reported.

620
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000
Copy that.

621
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:59,000
We're now setting up audio recorders to record electronic voice phenomena.

622
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,000
This is Bill.

623
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,000
I'm on the Queen Mary.

624
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,000
I'm here to learn from you.

625
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Is there a message that you would like to deliver to the people who visit the Queen Mary?

626
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Whoa, did you see that?

627
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Now that we can see that the video can be hoaxed, we still have to consider the long history of the Queen Mary.

628
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,000
There have been so many eyewitness accounts of paranormal activity that we're going to go ahead and do an eye investigation.

629
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,000
I am scanning the room for any unusual heat signatures.

630
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Whoa, did you see that?

631
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,000
I'm catching some type of heat signature and it is moving.

632
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
But I don't see anything in the naked eye.

633
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,000
It's one of the sailors, it's one of the passengers that was once aboard the Queen Mary.

634
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
We'd like to be able to learn from you.

635
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000
I just heard like a creak or maybe that was a groan.

636
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Could you leave me a message in words that I could understand? Can you speak to me?

637
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Austin, for Bill, are you there?

638
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Go for Bill.

639
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,000
I swear to you, I just saw eyes next to the, it looks like the entrance of the changing room.

640
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Eyes?

641
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Yes, it looks like two eyes.

642
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
There it is, it is moving.

643
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
What is that?

644
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
So Bill, tell me about it, what did you guys do?

645
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,000
We went down the Long Beach to investigate the possible hauntings on the Queen Mary.

646
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,000
First we wanted to eliminate the obvious that the ghost that we're seeing in Ryan Codell's video

647
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
wasn't a result of shadows because of light sources in the hallway.

648
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,000
The shadows will crest the floor as well as the walls.

649
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
But there's nothing that actually stands within the middle of the hallway,

650
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,000
which is where all of Ryan's apparitions appeared.

651
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
We started thinking that maybe this is a hoax.

652
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
There was a lot of condensation at the Long Beach Harbor

653
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,000
and we were thinking this could very easily act as a backdrop for us to project our own image onto.

654
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000
We projected a mini movie of Austin down the middle of the hallway

655
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,000
so that we can get that white apparition walking straight down.

656
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Look at that, that looks great.

657
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,000
That is really cool.

658
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
It was pretty amazing how well it worked, but the deal was,

659
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
is that you could see the beam of light from the projector cutting through the haze.

660
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
The next test we did had pretty striking results as well.

661
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,000
We manipulated depth perception by using a presidential style teleprompter.

662
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Oh my God, look at that.

663
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000
Wow.

664
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000
To drive the point home that a video like this can be hoaxed,

665
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,000
I shot the empty hallway, then I took the video of Austin and I composited the two.

666
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Wow.

667
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,000
That looks great.

668
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
I think we got a pretty close match here.

669
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
This shows that that video could have been hoaxed a number of ways,

670
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
but it doesn't mean that there isn't any paranormal activity to be found on the Queen Mary.

671
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000
So we thought we have to do an eye investigation so we could collect our own evidence.

672
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,000
I was in the middle of an ABP session when Austin radiose me.

673
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
There's a pair of glowing eyes looking at you.

674
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Eyes?

675
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Yeah.

676
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
I just see these bright glowing eyes staring at me.

677
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000
No way.

678
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Play the clip, seriously.

679
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
No way.

680
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Oh!

681
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000
What the crap?

682
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,000
I have no idea what they are, but as they start coming closer to the IR camera,

683
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000
I found out the ship actually has a couple stowaways.

684
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Oh my gosh.

685
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
It's a raccoon.

686
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
A raccoon.

687
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,000
It turns out that there are a number of raccoons that live in the belly of the ship.

688
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,000
That was a false alarm, but we did not leave empty-handed.

689
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,000
During the ABP session, something was recorded.

690
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,000
No way.

691
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
You guys listen to this audio file and tell me what you hear.

692
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000
No way.

693
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
We're all here to learn from you.

694
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Oh my gosh.

695
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Are you kidding me?

696
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
That to me sounds like a little girl snickering.

697
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
That's exactly what it is.

698
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000
We're all here to learn from you.

699
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Oh my goodness.

700
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,000
So team, what do you think?

701
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Ryan's video, fact or faked?

702
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,000
There's a number of ways that this video could have been faked.

703
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,000
But that does not discount the numerous eyewitness accounts of actual paranormal activity.

704
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:22,000
The video is certainly questionable, but I think the ABP session shows that there may be paranormal activity aboard the Queen Mary.

705
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Sounds like we agree.

706
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,000
The paranormal activity in Ryan's video probably faked, but the Queen Mary may be haunted.

707
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Great job, guys.